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FLUX:: / SPAT Revolution (released)

Postby Piet De Ridder » Sep 17, 2017 7:32 am

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"SPAT Revolution, the most comprehensive real-time 3D-audio mixing engine ever designed, provides artists, sound-designers and sound-engineers the possibility to control the position of audio-sources in a three-dimensional environment, add room effects, send the result to a loudspeaker setup or a pair of normal stereophonic headphones, or export the result as audio stems to use in any other audio engine.
With the release of SPAT Revolution the SPAT v3 and the Ircam Tools 1.1 are discountined, meaning that they are not available for sale anymore. This does NOT mean that SPAT v3 is abandoned, and we will continue to support, update and maintain the SPAT v3 for the next coming years."

SPAT Revolution now consists of three plugins and a stand-alone application. Two plugins ('Send' and 'Return') can be used for routing audio out of your DAW (into stand-alone SPAT) and then back into the DAW. Unfortunately, with this first release that exciting functionality is still in an 'experimental' stage, meaning that, at the moment, the audio streaming will work fine in certain configurations, but is not guaranteed to work in all setups and configurations. Forthcoming updates will obviously address this.
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Price: 1490€
Upgrade offer for SPATv3 owners: a 35% discount

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Re: FLUX:: / SPAT Revolution (released)

Postby Tanuj Tiku » Sep 17, 2017 10:25 am

Amazing! Looks like a VE Pro style reverb station where you can do everything you need to.

Though, I suspect this upgrade is worth it most for people who are working in surround. The upgrade V3 users like us is not cheap either!

Routing looks very modular and easy to use. That is a nice upgrade. I wish they would add some 'ease of use' features in SPAT V3 upgrades as well. Just some basic concepts from 'Revolution'.



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Re: FLUX:: / SPAT Revolution (released)

Postby Guy Rowland » Sep 17, 2017 10:47 am

So this experimental local audio path seems to answer all those questions I was asking many months ago (or mostly answer). So the workflow for standard music use might be.... hmm, let me see if I have this right....

1. Route every instrument from the DAW that you require into a standalone instance of SPAT, post-fader.
2. Create as many identical rooms as you need separate stems for (e.g. Strings, Brass etc)
3. Route the returns into your DAW groups.

...and what that would do (I think) is route the entire audio out of your DAW and then back in at the group level. In which case, presumably your standard DAW group routing doesn't do anything, the inserts take it away.

Is that close to being right or totally wrong?

And finally... which DAW hosts are currently supported using this new plugin method?


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Re: FLUX:: / SPAT Revolution (released)

Postby Anders Wall » Sep 17, 2017 11:47 am

I’m currently enrolled in a MAX/MSP class @ Umeå University. The 50% edu makes it less than the 35% upgrade. Hmmm...

/Anders

Edit: thinking of that, I’m actually teaching tomorrow, def. get it @50 off. On that subject, I really need to plan for tomorrow :-O



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Re: FLUX:: / SPAT Revolution (released)

Postby FriFlo » Sep 17, 2017 12:34 pm

I would buy it right away for a fair upgrade fee, but 35% off indeed seems like a bad deal ... I am pretty sure they will be better offers for new customers to come even outside the educational offers. So, interesting product, but for now I will pass.


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Re: FLUX:: / SPAT Revolution (released)

Postby playz123 » Sep 17, 2017 2:29 pm

$2200 Canadian!!? That says it all for me. On to the next topic... :)

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Re: FLUX:: / SPAT Revolution (released)

Postby Piet De Ridder » Sep 17, 2017 2:52 pm

It is indeed wise to wait a bit (and not just for the price to drop during a promotion) because the ‘experimental’ state in which the ‘Send’ and ‘Return’ plugins still are at this moment, means that for our purpose — integrating SPAT Revolution with a DAW and streaming audio between them — the useability of the software is not a given.
The stand-alone app works well, as do the powerful automation feautures, but with those important streaming plugins not being fully functional yet, it’s a bit difficult to see how DAW-based musicians/producers can be convinced — at this moment — to buy into SPAT Revolution or to upgrade from its predecessor.

A bit of a strange decision, I thought, to release Revolution in its current shape, when one of its most appealing and powerful features is still an uncertainty.

But when the day comes when all the uncertainties have been coded out of it, SPAT Revolution will be an sensational tool.

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Guy, here's the compatibility list:

All major native formats are supported
Windows – 7 SP1, 8.1 and 10, all in 64 bits only.
- VST (2.4)
- AAX Native*
- AAX AudioSuite*
- Waves WPAPI
- Merging VS3 (Only in Windows 7 64 bits)**

Mac OS X (Intel) – 10.7.5, 10.8.5, 10.9.5, 10.10.5, 10.11.6 and 1.12.6.
- VST (2.4)
- AU
- AAX Native*
- AAX AudioSuite*
- Waves WPAPI

* AAX Native & AAX AudioSuite in Pro Tools 11 and 12
** VS3 license not included in Flux:: standard license. Additional VS3 Native/MassCore license for Pyramix 10/11 & Ovation 6/7 is available from Merging Technologies: http://www.merging.com/sales
Due to AVID ProTools changing to AAX, from Version 3 (v3) RTAS for AVID ProTools is no longer supported.

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Re: FLUX:: / SPAT Revolution (released)

Postby Guy Rowland » Sep 17, 2017 7:55 pm

Piet, I was really referring to:

the audio streaming will work fine in certain configurations, but is not guaranteed to work in all setups and configurations

I was assuming that referred to specific hosts, but perhaps it's more fuzzy than that?


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Re: FLUX:: / SPAT Revolution (released)

Postby Anders Wall » Sep 18, 2017 5:10 am

Piet De Ridder wrote:_______________________________

Guy, here's the compatibility list:

All major native formats are supported
Windows – 7 SP1, 8.1 and 10, all in 64 bits only.
- VST (2.4)
- AAX Native*
- AAX AudioSuite*
- Waves WPAPI
- Merging VS3 (Only in Windows 7 64 bits)**

Mac OS X (Intel) – 10.7.5, 10.8.5, 10.9.5, 10.10.5, 10.11.6 and 1.12.6.
- VST (2.4)
- AU
- AAX Native*
- AAX AudioSuite*
- Waves WPAPI

* AAX Native & AAX AudioSuite in Pro Tools 11 and 12
** VS3 license not included in Flux:: standard license. Additional VS3 Native/MassCore license for Pyramix 10/11 & Ovation 6/7 is available from Merging Technologies: http://www.merging.com/sales
Due to AVID ProTools changing to AAX, from Version 3 (v3) RTAS for AVID ProTools is no longer supported.

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Add AAX DSP to the list.
If you ask me being able to run on DSP is the biggest reason to upgrade.

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Re: FLUX:: / SPAT Revolution (released)

Postby heisenberg » Oct 15, 2017 8:49 pm

According to Flux/IRCAM they have issued a new release for SPAT Revolution that addresses the deficiencies and unmet expectations of their initial release. They will have a presence at AES in New York this week, so if anyone is going or could go that has an interest in SPAT could do some recon, that would be great.

Here is the email that was sent out about the SPAT Revolution update...

NEW BUILD AVAILABLE

Today we've released a new build of the SPAT Revolution with a lot of bug-fixes and improvements (for full list, see the change log in Flux:: Center). The Send and Return plug-ins now fully supports audio through local audio path, and the Avid S3L/S6L consoles are now supported as well. In addition we've added support for the Dolby Atmos and Ambisonic buses in Pro Tools.

http://www.fluxhome.com/download

AES NEW YORK 2017

We look forward to meet you all at the AES 2017 in New York - Stop by our booth for a full demonstration of the SPAT Revolution, or just pop by and say hi to us. You find us in the AVID Developer Pavilion, Booth 504P.

This year we also have the honor to present Gaël Martinet, Flux:: founder, as speaker in the Audio for Cinema: AC01 - 3D Audio Tools for Immersive Audio conference - Wednesday the 18th at 10:45 AM (Rm 1E07 (5.1)) - Welcome!

http://www.aes.org/events/143/

Be very curious to know if the send/return works as advertised and if the ability to effectively run multiple SPAT instances of SPAT (within a single SPAT instance) on numerous tracks works and is computationally efficient.

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Re: FLUX:: / SPAT Revolution (released)

Postby Hannes_F » Oct 15, 2017 10:35 pm

heisenberg wrote:According to Flux/IRCAM they have issued a new release for SPAT Revolution that addresses the deficiencies and unmet expectations of their initial release.

Hear, hear ...

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Re: FLUX:: / SPAT Revolution (released)

Postby Lawrence » Oct 16, 2017 1:10 am

I may be going. If I do, I'll try to ask your questions.

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