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Something "new" from Spitfire on the 21th of September

Postby Anders Wall » Sep 19, 2017 9:49 pm

From social media sites:

Sounds like rainstick(s), thunderplate(s) and large drums...

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Re: Something new from Spitfire on the 21th of September

Postby tack » Sep 19, 2017 11:11 pm

Will check this space on Thursday. Until then ... :)

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Re: Something new from Spitfire on the 21th of September

Postby J Rod » Sep 20, 2017 7:02 pm

i hope is not SSP.



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Re: Something new from Spitfire on the 21th of September

Postby mcalis » Sep 20, 2017 8:36 pm

So, I watch some of CH's youtube vlogs and I don't have anything against the Spitfire people on a personal level, but... bleh, I just can't bring myself to be remotely excited for another Spitfire product. Perhaps it's because I've started to get irritated with their profoundly inconsistent articulations for each instrument in their Symphonic Woodwinds package. I also just get annoyed at their marketing. Oh well.

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Re: Something new from Spitfire on the 21th of September

Postby J Rod » Sep 20, 2017 11:41 pm

Lately i do not get any more excited about the spitfire products for personal reasons, but SSO it's something i want to complete.

But their marketing strategy is like this: 265.000 views


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Postby tack » Sep 21, 2017 12:51 am

I really tried to understand the point of that video, J Rod, but 4 hours into it I decided to give up.

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Re: Something "new" from Spitfire on the 21th of September

Postby Anders Wall » Sep 21, 2017 4:25 pm

Looks like a update to the Hans Zimmer Percussion 01 and 03.

New GUI:
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And apparently it will come in two versions.
The "normal" IE the Hans Zimmer mixes.
And a "Pro"-version with lots of other mixes.

There's plenty of videos showcasing this library.
Here's one.

There's even a FAQ already in place.
https://www.spitfireaudio.com/info/faq/ ... ercussion/

I already own 01 and 03 and just got a email saying that I got the new lib. for free.

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Re: Something "new" from Spitfire on the 21th of September

Postby Guy Rowland » Sep 21, 2017 5:01 pm

Oh good, an even bigger GUI with no new functionality! Huzzah!

Not surprised that they've re-released it, but what a wasted opportunity. No effects at all - it always was surprisingly bare, and still is. No groove engine - nada. Just - AFAIK - 1 mic mix in the basic version reduced from 4, and.... er..... NKS ready. Woot.

But wait, I forgot about the MARKETING.



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Re: Something "new" from Spitfire on the 21th of September

Postby J Rod » Sep 21, 2017 6:46 pm

Guy Rowland wrote:Oh good, an even bigger GUI with no new functionality! Huzzah!

Not surprised that they've re-released it, but what a wasted opportunity. No effects at all - it always was surprisingly bare, and still is. No groove engine - nada. Just - AFAIK - 1 mic mix in the basic version reduced from 4, and.... er..... NKS ready. Woot.

But wait, I forgot about the MARKETING.

Thats exactly what i was talking about.

Here are two exceptional examples about marketing strategies: wirth all clear from first announce:

Toontrack Superior Drumer 3: New content, new improved workflow, new 5.1 mix, new UI. you can still use SD2.

Spectrasonics Omnisphere 2: New content, new workflow, new UI. add funtionality if you buy Keyscapes.

And...

HZ Percusion: same recordings, no new content, new GUI (wow), pay more to get a half product and wait longer to get Pro version (full HZ01+HZ02). Complicating things. we need to pay two times to get Hans Zimmer Pro?, What the hell will happend with HZ02?, will terminate like Glass and Steel, a rebranded product from Kitchenware Glass + Kitchenware Metals or will get the new gui?.

HZ01, HZ02 ....end of life support...coming soon.

Jason 4 hours to decided? :)


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Re: Something "new" from Spitfire on the 21th of September

Postby playz123 » Sep 21, 2017 8:31 pm

Not as negative as others about this. First, I never did purchase any of the previous HZ Percussion libraries, but did appreciate their value. Second, when this one came along I felt it would be more than sufficient for my needs (based on everything else I have) and the price was right for the value received. So I purchased it today and am downloading it now. The demo that spoke to me the most was the one by Ty Unwin. I have also admired his soundtracks, and really liked how everything sounded in his HZ demo. Obviously I can't comment more until I've played with the library, but certainly no regrets about my decision so far. I suspect others who are in a similar position may feel the same way? But I also understand that purchasers of previous HZ Perc libraries may have concerns that differ from those who have only purchased this library.

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Postby Guy Rowland » Sep 21, 2017 9:44 pm

Frank - yes, perfectly fine proposition as a new product. I only have HZ01, and it's always sounded great. Essentially it's a slimmed down HZ01+03, and there's nothing wrong with that in and of itself, it's just so much less than this opportunity could have been. So many other percussion libraries in the past couple of years have vastly exceeded the HZ series in terms of functionality, this is just vanilla samples with a whopping great GUI for no reason. Fine samples though.

And the marketing (I'll confess I couldn't bring myself to watch this trailer any more than I can bring myself to watch anything with Kardashian in the title - I know both will just be insufferable and annoy the heck out of me) for something so utlitarian just breeds cynicism among certain kinds of existing customers (like me).


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Re: Something "new" from Spitfire on the 21th of September

Postby Anders Wall » Sep 22, 2017 4:20 am

Re no arp.
I for one hate to transcribe 16 bars of low C from the busy perc track.
I find it easier to write down the rhythm, perform it and the edit those little dots.
Never ever get those arps to finish when I’d like em to...

Have not downloaded the update.
Might wait for the pro version as I find myself using other mixes than the Zimmers.

Re marketing.
If they want to dress a million chickens in spitfiredresses and have them roaming the streets of London then it’s their company and who am I to even be bothered with it. Actually I would be bothered because you should not eat nor threat animals badly, but I believe you understand my point in this.
It’s not as other companies don’t have teasers for their products. Not all companies, but I know that writing, filming and editing teasers and commercials are big business for those who do.

If I’m offended by a marketing stunt, as when “Studio Total” threw a thousand teddy bears over Minsk (google it) then I too let my voice be heard.
But their stunt ended up hurting innocent people.
Really don’t think that the lates spitfire teaser did.

Also if posting a video sayin “stay tuned” is a “MARKETING STUNT” then the tolerance is quite low.

But hey, I know some of you feel different.
And that’s fine, just please let’s talk about the sound and how we use the product.
It’s so much more interesting than how companies market their products. I believe there’s business forums that deal with those questions.

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Re: Something "new" from Spitfire on the 21th of September

Postby Lawrence » Sep 22, 2017 5:07 am

Not sure about all of that, Anders. I own a few Spitfire products and I like them just fine (SCS is outstanding). however it took me a long time to get over my dislike of hyperbolic marketing, which I consider them, along with early 8Dio, to be particularly guilty of. I don't think it's off base to discuss the marketing of products up to a point, as buying decisions aren't made on sound quality alone-there are GUIs, ease of use, customer support, the requisite care to release finished (or close to finished) products, the general reputation of the company itself is a factor.

I'm not saying that 5 page developer slagfests are a good thing, not at all-however, when companies make bold claims and hyperbolic proclamations, I think they're fair game for some subjective opinions....within reason.

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Re: Something "new" from Spitfire on the 21th of September

Postby Tanuj Tiku » Sep 22, 2017 7:40 am

This is a strange announcement. I do understand that they are updating and consolidating their products but it looks like a half measure.

I have HZ-01 so people like me are totally left in the dark. It won't be updated and if I want to upgrade, I am forced to pay $106 and get the pro version (granted it has HZ-03 as well).

However, even upon release the PRO edition which is really the additional mics (which earlier users already have!) are not available.

So, there is very little reason to upgrade right now in any case. What is more, this product looks like a re-launch to get more customers to buy it. If feels, they may have paid a little less attention to existing customers.


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Re: Something "new" from Spitfire on the 21th of September

Postby Anders Wall » Sep 22, 2017 12:56 pm

I wrote a half decent reply and then my cell lost connection to this site... talk about first world problems :-O

Lawrence, is this correct.
I do not mean to be bantering (is that the right word) so please don't take this the wrong way.

But, what you are saying is that companies that sell samples are not allowed to promote their products any other way than to include a picture with facts/specs about the product.
All else has something negative before "marketing".
If so, aren't we all in the "smoke and mirrors" business, don't we enjoy that kind of sh*t, and even if not what's wrong with a company to post a video basically saying that "something is coming..."
As far as I know they never said that something new is coming or even that something including samples is coming.

I'm still waiting for that book about Spitfire to get released, I'm the one who should be pissed about this :skeptical:

Tanuj, I paid €173 for my copy of HZ03 - London Soloists, that was with discount. (25% I believe).
If you don't need the Soloist then don't update, the old GUI is just fine.
But don't say that $107 isn't bargain considering the quality and usefulness of the samples AND the fact that some of us paid a lot more for the same content.

Not trying to start a brawl, but I feel that if this is how every Spitfire announcement will turn out then why even bother posting them here.

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Postby Guy Rowland » Sep 22, 2017 1:09 pm

Anders - I can't speak for Larry, but of course marketing can be discussed as a general point (our creed is to speak freely as we find) And - imo - its not an entirely trivial issue. My view is that Spitfire's marketing has increasingly been style over substance, and just like any product that can produce a negative reaction. Nothing controversial about that, and neither does it suggest that all marketing of any kind is in some way bad.

Your point on value is entirely fair - I wouldn't say I share the same perspective exactly, but of course its a reasonable view. On the one hand us HZ01 users lose a lot of mixes in the new product, on the other we gain new solo samples, with the combined cost $60-$70 cheaper. That's fine, but it's not - to me - a no brainer bargain or anything. As I recall, they've had sales in the past of 35% or so, which - I think - would have been a greater bargain as the original pair combined.

Perhaps one final point to make about all this - there's actually very little discuss here EXCEPT the marketing. No new features, same samples. The marketing, the new bigger GUI and the perceived value of the new package is about all there is to talk about, as far as I can tell.


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Postby Tanuj Tiku » Sep 22, 2017 1:24 pm

Anders Wall wrote:I wrote a half decent reply and then my cell lost connection to this site... talk about first world problems :-O

Lawrence, is this correct.
I do not mean to be bantering (is that the right word) so please don't take this the wrong way.

But, what you are saying is that companies that sell samples are not allowed to promote their products any other way than to include a picture with facts/specs about the product.
All else has something negative before "marketing".
If so, aren't we all in the "smoke and mirrors" business, don't we enjoy that kind of sh*t, and even if not what's wrong with a company to post a video basically saying that "something is coming..."
As far as I know they never said that something new is coming or even that something including samples is coming.

I'm still waiting for that book about Spitfire to get released, I'm the one who should be pissed about this :skeptical:

Tanuj, I paid €173 for my copy of HZ03 - London Soloists, that was with discount. (25% I believe).
If you don't need the Soloist then don't update, the old GUI is just fine.
But don't say that $107 isn't bargain considering the quality and usefulness of the samples AND the fact that some of us paid a lot more for the same content.

Not trying to start a brawl, but I feel that if this is how every Spitfire announcement will turn out then why even bother posting them here.

Kind Regards,

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Anders, you make a fair point. I am OK to pay $106 for the upgrade. But, what I find a little problematic is that they did not think things through well enough in the first place. Which is why the upgrade is happening.

What I don't like is that they clearly introduced the product as three different parts - used marketing hype at that time as well to sell this idea and repeatedly said that their libraries are going to be modular and that, that was a good thing. Only a few years later to make a complete u-turn and then constraint the users.

I do however understand, now that they have made this decision, there really isn't much else they could have done.

So, I am not complaining big time. Just that I find their direction a bit strange and perhaps they should have planned it better.

On the issue of marketing hype. I don't take huge offence. But, I do get why people feel the way they do. Their marketing is paradoxical. Well, not just them. But, some people remember things.

They said, Hans Zimmer Percussion was made at the highest level, produced by a master composer, with his team involved, best in class etc etc. They took years to develop it. They did use all those things as marketing. But, it all comes crashing down when your product needs an update couple of years in because you did not think it through well enough the first time it seems. At least, that is what I understand from the reason they are giving now for the update. And they are abandoning the modular approach for which too they used huge marketing claims.

So, in the end the users feel a bit bad. As a professional, I have no problem paying for updates as well if they make sense and if they were substantial updates and genuinely made the library better. But paying for an update because they need to fix something at their end, is not my idea of paying for genuine updates.

Having said that, I will upgrade at some point if it makes sense. Right now, in the absence of the mics that I actually use the most does not help the case. Again, christian claimed somewhere that HZ mics were used the most and that is why they released it first.

While in fact, I use the other ones a lot more. Specially Geoff Foster mixes.

Anyway, in the end I hope that things will settle and we can move on from this re-organisation.


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Postby Anders Wall » Sep 22, 2017 4:32 pm

I use some of the large hits with the Zimmer-mixes but as you, Tanuj, the Foster ones get more airtime from me.
They are well balanced and seem fit my compositions/mixes better.
I was actually quite unhappy with the library until I "found" those.
It took me a while to change from the default mix to the alternatives.
That is the strength of the library, the different mixes.

Really wish that I could fit a update into my schedule, would love to talk about the GUI and if/how it works.
Have bad eyesight, not that much hair on my head and could really use that exercise I've told my self to do.
So, if you ask me, a bigger GUI is what I need.

It's only human to fail and a good thing to be proud of your product(s).
So fair enough, Guy, maybe the only thing to discuss is the marketing, and if so there's not that much to say.
They posted a video, released update, free for those who own the original product, end of story.

I for one hope they will post a new video next month.
Recon most of us here @tsb are in some way connect to Spitfire Audio and don't need their updates slammed on the front page as "news".
Perhaps it's better to wait with the initial "hey, look at this!" post until one actually tries it out.
I'm game with that.

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Re: Something "new" from Spitfire on the 21th of September

Postby playz123 » Sep 22, 2017 9:34 pm

Would some kind person please check something out for me? In the HZ Timpani patch of this new library, it appears that CC11 is controlling Releases, NOT Expression (as mentioned in the manual) and CC17, which is supposed to control Releases doesn't appear to be doing anything. Re. CC11, I tried sending it from both an expression pedal and from a controller lane in Cubase, and both times it controlled Releases. CC11 seems to work as expected with the combo and individual patches though.

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Postby Anders Wall » Sep 23, 2017 5:21 am

playz123 wrote:Would some kind person please check something out for me? In the HZ Timpani patch of this new library, it appears that CC11 is controlling Releases, NOT Expression (as mentioned in the manual) and CC17, which is supposed to control Releases doesn't appear to be doing anything. Re. CC11, I tried sending it from both an expression peddle and from a controller lane in Cubase, and both times it controlled Releases. CC11 seems to work as expected with the combo and individual patches though.

Frank, if you can wait I'll be installing this mid October.
Have a tight deadline and need to focus on writing.

Not a answer but a solution could be to control click on the Expression and/or the Release fader and manually change the CC value.
Just remember to remove the wrong value else one CC will control both Release and Expression.

I think that should work.

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Postby playz123 » Sep 23, 2017 4:40 pm

Many thanks, Anders, for your input and suggestion. Alas, right clicking or 'control' clicking on those controls in the Timpani was one of the first things I tried before posting here, but that does nothing either, and there's no option to change the assigned CC that I can find. In the info bubble it even suggests a controller should have MIDI learn, but unfortunately nothing seems to work.
Yes, please do let me know if you find the same thing next month. I had really just wanted to confirm that others were having the same problem before contacting Spitfire, but may go ahead and do that now anyway. Cheers!

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Re: Something "new" from Spitfire on the 21th of September

Postby playz123 » Sep 25, 2017 4:11 pm

From Spitfire Support:
"This is a known issue that the developers have provided a hotfix for until the next release. Please download this zip https://www.dropbox.com/s/laxqwl7pgrg6i ... I.zip?dl=0 and replace the Hans Zimmer Timpani.nki file with this one."

EDIT: The hotfix file did NOT alter the incorrect CC assignments. HOWEVER, one can now right click on the controls and REASSIGN the settings to the 'correct' ones...e.g. CC11 for Expression. That wasn't possible with the original file.

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Re: Something "new" from Spitfire on the 21th of September

Postby Jack Weaver » Sep 25, 2017 4:51 pm

Thanks, Frank!

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Postby playz123 » Sep 25, 2017 5:29 pm

Jack Weaver wrote:Thanks, Frank!

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You are most welcome, Jack. But also please note the additional info I just posted above...after you responded. With the hotfix file, one can now reassign the CCs 'correctly'. But they still need to fix the default settings. I'm going to MIDI learn the correct assignments, and then just resave the file.

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Re: Something "new" from Spitfire on the 21th of September

Postby playz123 » Sep 25, 2017 5:41 pm

And just so others don't have to deal with all this, here's my 'fixed' Timpani.nki file with Response on CC17 (their intent originally) and Expression on CC11, as it should have been. Just replace the original one with this one...and get on with your day! :)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1cz87lcxxp9of ... i.zip?dl=0

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