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piano sus strings movement
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RobS
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Re: piano sus strings movement
Mmm first contact a bit of a disappointment honestly. Two main reasons: only white keys were sampled, and there are brutal dynamic jumps especially when damper is down… not the smooth experience I was anticipating
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Piet De Ridder
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Re: piano sus strings movement
Rob, first of all: sorry for having been partly responsible for you having spent money on disappointment.
That said, I don't have those 'brutal dynamic jumps'. Here's the audio of the same chord played 21 times, with the pedal down, and the velocities gradually increasing from somewhere around 20-25 to, let me check, 124-126. The thing that's bothering me here is, as I mentioned before, the timbre near and at the end doesn't suggest fortissimo (which you should get, I feel, when the velocities exceed 120) and still sounds like forte.
Maybe you can improve things a bit by editing the velocity map in those areas where the jumps distract you?
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That said, I don't have those 'brutal dynamic jumps'. Here's the audio of the same chord played 21 times, with the pedal down, and the velocities gradually increasing from somewhere around 20-25 to, let me check, 124-126. The thing that's bothering me here is, as I mentioned before, the timbre near and at the end doesn't suggest fortissimo (which you should get, I feel, when the velocities exceed 120) and still sounds like forte.
Maybe you can improve things a bit by editing the velocity map in those areas where the jumps distract you?
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RobS
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Re: piano sus strings movement
no no Piet, don't feel sorry at all, I still like the sound of the library, and as soon as I can I'll do my best to make a usable patch...
But to explain what I mean with dynamic jumps, here is an mp3 where you have G2 and Ab2, damper pressed, playing at velocities of 36 first and a few beats later at 37. That's an increase of 1/127 but the resulting dynamic change is exaggerated. Next I played a few notes with exactly the same velocity (32) in the first group the C sticks out while in the second the B in considerably stronger. The effect to me is that suddenly some notes disappear while others stick out.
But to explain what I mean with dynamic jumps, here is an mp3 where you have G2 and Ab2, damper pressed, playing at velocities of 36 first and a few beats later at 37. That's an increase of 1/127 but the resulting dynamic change is exaggerated. Next I played a few notes with exactly the same velocity (32) in the first group the C sticks out while in the second the B in considerably stronger. The effect to me is that suddenly some notes disappear while others stick out.
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Piet De Ridder
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Re: piano sus strings movement
Yes, that doesn't sound right. And I just checked, it's the same here. (I've only checked the G2-Ab2 part of the example.)
The jump seems to occur from value 36 to 37. So I had a look inside Kontakt's editor, but the group that's being triggered by those velocities (that's group 1C as far as I can tell) covers the velocity range 31>46, so I don't understand why there should be this strange jump from 36 to 37. (If there were a group starting at 37, I could understand there being a jump, but according to Kontakt's mapping window, that isn't the case.)
Perhaps it's again one of those scripting things that I don't know anything about.
Premier Soundfactory was present on VI-C around the time of their Kawai release. The representative's name is Saw Ichiro (VI-member name: ichiro). Maybe he still responds to PM's on VI-C? Or, other suggestion: Premier Soundfactory have a (support) forum on KVR.
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The jump seems to occur from value 36 to 37. So I had a look inside Kontakt's editor, but the group that's being triggered by those velocities (that's group 1C as far as I can tell) covers the velocity range 31>46, so I don't understand why there should be this strange jump from 36 to 37. (If there were a group starting at 37, I could understand there being a jump, but according to Kontakt's mapping window, that isn't the case.)
Perhaps it's again one of those scripting things that I don't know anything about.
Premier Soundfactory was present on VI-C around the time of their Kawai release. The representative's name is Saw Ichiro (VI-member name: ichiro). Maybe he still responds to PM's on VI-C? Or, other suggestion: Premier Soundfactory have a (support) forum on KVR.
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RobS
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Re: piano sus strings movement
They are using a combination of lowpass filters and velocity scaling to get a smooth transition between velocities, but I believe they overlooked the range around 30-50 which is for me an essential dynamic range. It could be a good idea to write a message to mr. Ichiro, I'll probably do that later. I'm sure the problems we're having trying to fix things has to do with the scripting. I was even thinking of copying/exporting the single groups and build a new patch, but the resonance is too complicated to deal with for me