NI Kontakt - update to 5.8.0 [WITH WARNING]

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NI Kontakt - update to 5.8.0 [WITH WARNING]

Post by Guy Rowland » Apr 11, 2018 3:15 pm

5.8.0 is up.

ADDED The contents of the Libraries tab can now be filtered by text search
ADDED The contents of the Libraries tab can now be alphabetically sorted
IMPROVED The virtual keyboard now automatically resizes to match rack widths higher than the default
IMPROVED KSP: The maximum number of controls per control type has now been raised to 512
IMPROVED KSP: The maximum array size has now been raised to 1000000
IMPROVED KSP: get_control_par() wouldn’t work for ui_level_meter
IMPROVED KSP: One can now have up to three file selector widgets in a single script slot
IMPROVED The Manage Libraries button now launches the Libraries preferences
FIXED Default file sorting was seemingly random on APFS volumes
FIXED Some KSP UI elements would disappear when used in multiple instruments in the same rack
FIXED KSP: Kontakt would crash when attempting to build a MIDI pattern from a large while loop
FIXED Certain filters would use more memory than necessary
FIXED KSP: mf_reset() would not return an async ID

https://www.native-instruments.com/foru ... 8-0.94387/

(Would so love it if they'd also improved the glacial speed of moving libraries around...)

EDIT - Over on KVR, Evil Dragon says there is an error with Kontakt 5.8.0 and some very old libraries not working. Fix on the way in 5.8.1, so a good idea to hold fire for now.


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Re: NI Kontakt - update to 5.8.0

Post by ComposerGuy » Apr 11, 2018 7:20 pm

"FIXED KSP: Kontakt would crash when attempting to build a MIDI pattern from a large while loop"
What would that be?
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Re: NI Kontakt - update to 5.8.0

Post by Muziksculp » Apr 11, 2018 7:22 pm

I wonder what year Kontakt 6 will be released ? :skeptical:

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Post by tack » Apr 11, 2018 7:27 pm

Muziksculp wrote:
Apr 11, 2018 7:22 pm
I wonder what year Kontakt 6 will be released ? :skeptical:
Just moments before the heat death of the universe, I reckon.

Here's hoping this update fixes my Kontakt instability!
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Re: NI Kontakt - update to 5.8.0

Post by Anders Wall » Apr 11, 2018 7:48 pm

tack wrote:
Apr 11, 2018 7:27 pm
Muziksculp wrote:
Apr 11, 2018 7:22 pm
I wonder what year Kontakt 6 will be released ? :skeptical:
Just moments before the heat death of the universe, I reckon.

Here's hoping this update fixes my Kontakt instability!
I'll be at that restaurant, Milliways.

"The Universe as we know it has now been in existence for over one hundred and seventy thousand million billion years and will be ending in a little over half an hour. So, welcome one and all to Milliways, the Restaurant at the End of the Universe!"

Thanks for the heads up!
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Post by tack » Apr 11, 2018 8:16 pm

In the meantime, I guess Kontakt 5.8 will have to suffice for my mockups of Disaster Area's greatest hits. Although I just can't help but think Kontakt 6 will do better at plutonium rock.

And speaking of which, Towel Day is just around the corner.
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Re: NI Kontakt - update to 5.8.0

Post by Muziksculp » Apr 11, 2018 9:01 pm

Just to remind you, Kontakt 5 was released in 2011, that's 7 years ago !

So.. How many more years for Kontakt 6 to be released, three more years to make it a decade between version numbers ? :thinking: :/ :frown: :ooo:

I have a feeling they are doing a complete re-write, or something crazy that would require this long for them to release version 6.

Maybe they will release it with Komplete 12 ? which is not too far away I think.

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Post by Anders Wall » Apr 11, 2018 9:22 pm

Muziksculp wrote:
Apr 11, 2018 9:01 pm
Just to remind you, Kontakt 5 was released in 2011, that's 7 years ago !

So.. How many more years for Kontakt 6 to be released, three more years to make it a decade between version numbers ? :thinking: :/ :frown: :ooo:

I have a feeling they are doing a complete re-write, or something crazy that would require this long for them to release version 6.

Maybe they will release it with Komplete 12 ? which is not too far away I think.
What's in Kontakt 6 that are not in 5.8?
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Re: NI Kontakt - update to 5.8.0

Post by Muziksculp » Apr 11, 2018 9:28 pm

Anders Wall wrote:
Apr 11, 2018 9:22 pm
Muziksculp wrote:
Apr 11, 2018 9:01 pm
Just to remind you, Kontakt 5 was released in 2011, that's 7 years ago !

So.. How many more years for Kontakt 6 to be released, three more years to make it a decade between version numbers ? :thinking: :/ :frown: :ooo:

I have a feeling they are doing a complete re-write, or something crazy that would require this long for them to release version 6.

Maybe they will release it with Komplete 12 ? which is not too far away I think.
What's in Kontakt 6 that are not in 5.8?
Best,
Anders
I have no idea what Kontakt 6 offers, but I hope it will be a HUGE improvement, and modernization of the ancient GUI. But, it is quite interesting how many Kontakt users are OK, with this amount of stagnation, and years of waiting for a new version, I'm personally not very happy about that.

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Re: NI Kontakt - update to 5.8.0

Post by Anders Wall » Apr 11, 2018 10:10 pm

Muziksculp wrote:
Apr 11, 2018 9:28 pm
I have no idea what Kontakt 6 offers, but I hope it will be a HUGE improvement, and modernization of the ancient GUI. But, it is quite interesting how many Kontakt users are OK, with this amount of stagnation, and years of waiting for a new version, I'm personally not very happy about that.
Fair enough.
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Re: NI Kontakt - update to 5.8.0

Post by Killiard » Apr 12, 2018 2:58 am

Having just had to install Kontakt and all my libraries again on a new system, I’d be happy with a half decent way of shifting the library tabs about. You know, a way that means you don’t have to spend half an hour sllllllooowly dragging one tab from top to bottom of the list.

Besides that I’m happy with it just working efficiently. You would think that after 7 years that there must be some awesome technological improvement they could do to make it V6!


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Re: NI Kontakt - update to 5.8.0

Post by Guy Rowland » Apr 12, 2018 3:41 am

Very strongly agree Jordan, it's absurd. Who wants to arrange things alphabetically vs who wants to be able to arrange things manually faster than glacial?

As far as everything else in v6... Jason here (Tack) is convinced that there could be considerably more drive efficiency so I'd take that. Setting a streaming level per drive (like Play) would be very welcome. But I think the biggest changes should be to do with its sampling itself, being able to do a lot of the legwork via wizards for building instruments once you have samples ready to go. It seems prehistoric for the bread and butter.


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Re: NI Kontakt - update to 5.8.0 [WITH WARNING]

Post by Guy Rowland » Apr 12, 2018 7:37 am

Over on KVR, Evil Dragon says there is an error with Kontakt 5.8.0 and some very old libraries not working. Fix on the way in 5.8.1, so a good idea to hold fire for now.

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Post by tack » Apr 12, 2018 7:51 am

The library tab would be vastly more usable if, apart from fixing the sorting irritations already mentioned, it allowed grouping into user folders. The ability to search is a huge improvement at least.
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Post by Guy Rowland » Apr 12, 2018 8:37 am

I think there should be an option to arrange in columns of three by icon, and then it expands out when you click on a library. In that sense, a bit like Kontrol (even though everything else about Kontrol is awful).

How does the searching work, do you know? Is there a search bar at the top and it searches just the library name?

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Post by tack » Apr 12, 2018 9:15 am

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How does the searching work, do you know? Is there a search bar at the top and it searches just the library name?
Yes. It seems to just work by exact substring match. I was hoping for fuzzy search that's all the rage these days, so I could type e.g. "sfbr" to match on Spitfire Symphonic Brass, say.

Actually, something like that would be really useful to find individual patches.
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Re: NI Kontakt - update to 5.8.0 [WITH WARNING]

Post by playz123 » Apr 12, 2018 10:48 am

Guy Rowland wrote:
Apr 12, 2018 8:37 am
I think there should be an option to arrange in columns of three by icon, and then it expands out when you click on a library. In that sense, a bit like Kontrol (even though everything else about Kontrol is awful).

How does the searching work, do you know? Is there a search bar at the top and it searches just the library name?
Oh...don’t get me started re. Kontrol! 😄 Not all bad, but a long way to go yet!
Agreed that reorganizing and dragging libraries around in the Library tab is a pain..it is my biggest beef about Kontakt, and the more libraries one has the longer it takes to drag something down. Solutions have been suggested, but I’m not sure of the answer myself. Icons? Columns? Certainly something that would allow easier access and mobility.
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Post by Muziksculp » Apr 12, 2018 12:22 pm

playz123 wrote:
Apr 12, 2018 10:48 am
Guy Rowland wrote:
Apr 12, 2018 8:37 am
I think there should be an option to arrange in columns of three by icon, and then it expands out when you click on a library. In that sense, a bit like Kontrol (even though everything else about Kontrol is awful).

How does the searching work, do you know? Is there a search bar at the top and it searches just the library name?
Oh...don’t get me started re. Kontrol! 😄 Not all bad, but a long way to go yet!
Agreed that reorganizing and dragging libraries around in the Library tab is a pain..it is my biggest beef about Kontakt, and the more libraries one has the longer it takes to drag something down. Solutions have been suggested, but I’m not sure of the answer myself. Icons? Columns? Certainly something that would allow easier access and mobility.
Hopefully Kontakt 6 will be a total re-design of Kontakt 5's ancient GUI , and improve all aspects of using, editing, managing Libraries, sampling, etc. also a fully scaleable GUI to make working with it a joy, rather a form of eye torture.

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Re: NI Kontakt - update to 5.8.0 [WITH WARNING]

Post by catsass » Apr 13, 2018 1:00 am

It feels like I've been hearing about the imminent release of the mythical Kontakt 6 since the release of Kontakt 3.

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Post by Anders Wall » Apr 13, 2018 5:17 am

EXTRA WARNING!

Do not update if you are on ProTools Ultimate and OSX 10.13.4
--> CPU spikes, video engine fail, no audio sync etc...

All fine now I'm back on 5.7.x

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Post by Guy Rowland » Apr 13, 2018 5:23 am

Cheers Anders - in other obscure compatibility news I did also read that PT 2018.4 and OSX 10.13.4 don't play nicely together, but PT 2018.3 is ok.

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Post by Anders Wall » Apr 13, 2018 5:43 am

Guy Rowland wrote:
Apr 13, 2018 5:23 am
Cheers Anders - in other obscure compatibility news I did also read that PT 2018.4 and OSX 10.13.4 don't play nicely together, but PT 2018.3 is ok.
My .4's have been working fine.
So far :hurt:
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Re: NI Kontakt - update to 5.8.0 [WITH WARNING]

Post by Thorsten Meyer » Apr 14, 2018 10:24 am

Kontakt 5.8 (and the new Komplet Kontrol) was blacklisted by lastest Cubase and when you enable it in Cubase (plugin manager) Cubase crashes .... (all on MAC. Works in FL Studio, Logic

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Post by Anders Wall » Apr 14, 2018 10:47 am

I can still confirm that all is backup using the old 5.7 version of kontakt.
The only instrument, I'm using, that crashes ProTools is the Fluffy Audio clarinet.
Thankfully it works in VEPro.
ProTools 2018.4 (Ultimate) and OSX 10.13.4

Tjohoo!
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Re: NI Kontakt - update to 5.8.0 [WITH WARNING]

Post by playz123 » Apr 14, 2018 12:21 pm

Thorsten Meyer wrote:
Apr 14, 2018 10:24 am
Kontakt 5.8 (and the new Komplet Kontrol) was blacklisted by lastest Cubase and when you enable it in Cubase (plugin manager) Cubase crashes .... (all on MAC. Works in FL Studio, Logic
Hm-m...both are working fine here, not blacklisted in Cubase 9.5.21 on Mac Sierra, and no crashes after several hours of use yesterday. Perhaps you are on Windows or something?
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