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Trump and movie tariffs
Posted: May 05, 2025 10:11 am
by Daryl
It just gets more and more unhinged. At least there is no fake calculation this time.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjr7e2z1rxyo
Re: Trump and movie tariffs
Posted: May 05, 2025 10:28 am
by Jaap
"WE WANT MOVIES MADE IN AMERICA, AGAIN!" ...... sigh.....
I am looking forward in lets say 3 years or so to watch the documentary "WE, not he, MADE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN", on how brave Americans stood up against tyranny and overthrew the vicious president and restored order.
Re: Trump and movie tariffs
Posted: May 05, 2025 10:28 am
by Guy Rowland
I do really hope this one goes away. It would catastrophic for cinema and potentially TV.
Re: Trump and movie tariffs
Posted: May 05, 2025 11:34 am
by Tanuj Tiku
Sounds very dangerous for the global film/tv industry.
It seems that there is some deep trouble in LA, no doubt. I am seeing posts everywhere from top working professionals and talk of slowdown in Europe as well from other friends who work on professional projects.
As usual there is no clarity about what this even means. Will they tariff their own companies because so much of production happens abroad? What about films that are not set in the US and or require additional locations?
The entire supply chain for VFX is spread across the world, including my country India. Hollywood has a major imprint with language dubs and sound work that happens across the board.
Although that work is probably going to die off in about 5 years. I just heard Namit Malhotra from DNEG talk about how an Indian film that he is producing is going to use AI to create language dubs with lip sync. This is a massive Avatar level project, never before attempted in Indian cinema being produced for the global audience.
This sort of film could be hit with 100% tariffs if that is what Trump means.
Re: Trump and movie tariffs
Posted: May 05, 2025 12:04 pm
by Daryl
It's a total unknown. Obviously it's against WTO regulations, but as the US has pretty much destroyed that organisation, I doubt Trump, or anyone else from the administration, will care.
Re: Trump and movie tariffs
Posted: May 05, 2025 1:54 pm
by Mike Greene
It's funny that my L.A.-centric self clicked on this thread, thinking it was going to be,
"Finally! At least something Trump's doing might actually help us!" I totally forgot this is a very international forum.
I don't know enough about this one yet to have an opinion. (I'm only posting because I thought my naiveté was amusing.) Los Angeles is definitely hurting from productions going out of state and overseas, though, especially with so many tax incentives bringing them there, so it will be interesting to see what sort of support he gets.
Re: Trump and movie tariffs
Posted: May 05, 2025 2:01 pm
by Guy Rowland
Mike Greene wrote: ↑May 05, 2025 1:54 pmit will be interesting to see what sort of support he gets.
None I think.
Hollywood are as horrified as everyone else. They can't afford to shoot locally currently, so it doesn't mean they suddenly can afford to shoot if all the previously cheaper options are taken away. Everything becomes prohibitively expensive and the business contracts even further. Pretty similar to all these other tariffs.
And the rest of the world will contract too of course, cos a primary market has just been removed. Everything gets worse for everyone. Great!
Re: Trump and movie tariffs
Posted: May 05, 2025 4:05 pm
by Mike Greene
Guy Rowland wrote: ↑May 05, 2025 2:01 pm
Hollywood are as horrified as everyone else.
Not the Hollywood I live in. I wouldn't be surprised if the studio execs are opposed to this, mind you, since they only care about the bottom line. But SAG-AFTRA just announced they're open to discussing it.
Again, I don't know the specifics. (And I doubt Trump does, either.) And I'm not saying it's a good idea. I really don't know. But I guarantee you the majority of people in this town who work in "the industry" are at least open to the idea.
Is it more expensive to film in Los Angeles? Sure. People who work here get paid higher wages, and they have health benefits and all that other commie stuff that productions abroad don't have. A violinist who played on John Williams scores that were recorded in Los Angeles can probably retire comfortably. The violinist who played on the scores recorded in London probably can't. And a violinist recording in Budapest definitely can't. (I'm over-generalizing, but you get the idea.)
In that same vein, when I was doing Barbie commercials, we would sometimes go to Vancouver (Canada) to record the vocals, thus avoiding having to pay union residuals. That meant a flat payment of $1,500 for the Canadian, versus $10k or more for the American. Now, $10k obviously sounds like a lot, but note that a Barbie spot is a plum gig, and you don't get many of those in a year. (Same goes for me, regarding my fee, by the way.) Consequently, the Canadian singer probably had to waitress or whatever to pay the bills, while the American could do this full time. And retire comfortably. Me personally, I vote that singers and musicians be able to do their craft full time, and I hated that we would sometimes go to Canada, stabbing my local singers in the back.
Unlike sneaker or iPhone manufacturing, film production isn't something that America can no longer do. And
"But oh my God, the budget! The budget!!!" is a little overblown, given that most of the costs in a $100m film go to other things, not local talent and city permits.
Production goes overseas simply because of race-to-the-bottom pricing. With additional tax incentives in most cases. When production goes overseas, it's 100% greed, not necessity.
Re: Trump and movie tariffs
Posted: May 05, 2025 4:30 pm
by Tanuj Tiku
Mike Greene wrote: ↑May 05, 2025 4:05 pm
Guy Rowland wrote: ↑May 05, 2025 2:01 pm
Hollywood are as horrified as everyone else.
Not the Hollywood I live in. I wouldn't be surprised if the studio execs are opposed to this, mind you, since they only care about the bottom line. But SAG-AFTRA just announced they're open to discussing it.
Again, I don't know the specifics. (And I doubt Trump does, either.) And I'm not saying it's a good idea. I really don't know. But I guarantee you the majority of people in this town who work in "the industry" are at least open to the idea.
Is it more expensive to film in Los Angeles? Sure. People who work here get paid higher wages, and they have health benefits and all that other commie stuff that productions abroad don't have. A violinist who played on John Williams scores that were recorded in Los Angeles can probably retire comfortably. The violinist who played on the scores recorded in London probably can't. And a violinist recording in Budapest definitely can't. (I'm over-generalizing, but you get the idea.)
In that same vein, when I was doing Barbie commercials, we would sometimes go to Vancouver (Canada) to record the vocals, thus avoiding having to pay union residuals. That meant a flat payment of $1,500 for the Canadian, versus $10k or more for the American. Now, $10k obviously sounds like a lot, but note that a Barbie spot is a plum gig, and you don't get many of those in a year. (Same goes for me, regarding my fee, by the way.) Consequently, the Canadian singer probably had to waitress or whatever to pay the bills, while the American could do this full time. And retire comfortably. Me personally, I vote that singers and musicians be able to do their craft full time, and I hated that we would sometimes go to Canada, stabbing my local singers in the back.
Unlike sneaker or iPhone manufacturing, film production isn't something that America can no longer do. And
"But oh my God, the budget! The budget!!!" is a little overblown, given that most of the costs in a $100m film go to other things, not local talent and city permits.
Production goes overseas simply because of race-to-the-bottom pricing. With additional tax incentives in most cases. When production goes overseas, it's 100% greed, not necessity.
I totally see your point of view Mike but it may not be so cut and dry especially since we don’t know the details.
The race to the bottom is a global economic problem and it’s not as if the US has not experienced this or somehow other countries have directly caused it.
Furthermore, it is the same American companies who have invested to make huge facilities abroad to save money, where obviously the cost of living is not the same so while a singer in Canada may not be able to survive on an ad gig, a VFX artist in India can survive by rotoscoping Robert Downey’s hair

Oddly, this job will no longer exist in a couple of years though.
The fact is that bypassing union type of loopholes may exist despite tariffs, they always seem to find a way

and that should be OK as long as the majority of the work is happening in a sensible way. Some economic leakage from a hugely prosperous country is normal and natural.
Instead of being competitive at the time, for whatever local reasons (of you are an expert in) local governments may not have offered good deals to US studios. I did read that some states inside the US also offer better deals than California where the cost of living is not as high.
I get the sentiment and obviously I want a violinist to retire well with benefits as well as all other people who work in film. I am not sure this is the answer in an artistic business that is spread around the world.
At its core, this may be a very sensitive issue in LA. I don’t live there and don’t know a lot but all of the major studios and tech companies are present in India and it will affect everybody in some way.
But there is no harm in listening to the details, of which there are none at this time.
Re: Trump and movie tariffs
Posted: May 05, 2025 4:51 pm
by Mike Greene
Tanuj Tiku wrote: ↑May 05, 2025 4:30 pm
I totally see your point of view Mike but it may not be so cut and dry especially since we don’t know the details.
Absolutely. I know zero details, and honestly, since it's Trump, I'm not even going to bother looking into it, since we all know everything will change by the end of the week. Waste of time.
I was just making a point that aside from execs and the money people, I don't think Los Angeles as a whole has already decided they're against this.
Re: Trump and movie tariffs
Posted: May 05, 2025 4:53 pm
by Guy Rowland
Tanuj Tiku wrote: ↑May 05, 2025 4:30 pmI did read that some states inside the US also offer better deals than California where the cost of living is not as high.
Atlanta is the new Hollywood.
Mike, really I'm talking about studio folks not the footsoldiers. Believe me, they won't suddenly all go "okay, cool, everyone back to Burbank, as we were". Not a chance.
And believe me I know the difference between UK and US writer's fees! BUT all is not always as it seems. You have to factor in lots of other costs along with that juicy US salary (eg healthcare).
Oh and Tanuj I agree - there will always be loopholes...
Re: Trump and movie tariffs
Posted: May 06, 2025 4:52 am
by Daryl
Mike Greene wrote: ↑May 05, 2025 1:54 pm
It's funny that my L.A.-centric self clicked on this thread, thinking it was going to be,
"Finally! At least something Trump's doing might actually help us!" I totally forgot this is a very international forum.
I don't know enough about this one yet to have an opinion. (I'm only posting because I thought my naiveté was amusing.) Los Angeles is definitely hurting from productions going out of state and overseas, though, especially with so many tax incentives bringing them there, so it will be interesting to see what sort of support he gets.
It only helps as long as other countries agree to show those movies. Otherwise you're making for the US market only. The US public doesn't watch enough movies from other countries, so in Trump's word that would mean you're taking advantage. So I think a tariff of 60billion percent on US made movies should suffice.

Re: Trump and movie tariffs
Posted: May 06, 2025 5:59 am
by Guy Rowland
Daryl wrote: ↑May 06, 2025 4:52 am
It only helps as long as other countries agree to show those movies. Otherwise you're making for the US market only. The US public doesn't watch enough movies from other countries, so in Trump's word that would mean you're taking advantage. So I think a tariff of 60billion percent on US made movies should suffice.
Yes, very good point. Hollywood won't make movies that are a) more expensive to make and simultaneously b) their international market has vanished (reciprocal tariffs being almost inevitable). The economics don't add up.
This is an interesting article. Trump's Hollywood advisors are Jon Voight, Sylvester Stallone and Mel Gibson. The former of these met the president the day before his tarrif tweet with detailed proposals that bore zero relation to the mad 100% tweet:
"His main proposals involve federal tax incentives, changes to tax codes, co-production treaties with other countries, and infrastructure subsidies for theater owners, and production and post-production companies."
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2025/m ... jon-voight
All of which sounds perfectly reasonable. Maybe this is all Trump's brilliant three dimensional chess, that it will all row back to something like the above. Here's hoping.
EDIT - yes, looks like it's already going away -
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2025/m ... mel-fallon