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Orchestral Tools TIDES: Chamber Orchestra from Rachel Portman

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Orchestral Tools TIDES: Chamber Orchestra from Rachel Portman

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Never Let Me Go by Rachel Portman is one of my all time favourite soundtracks. And all big-name hoopla notwithstanding, this new library does sound like it captures that highly emotive but brittle sound - beauty with an edge.

OT seem at pains to point out this is NOT for mainstream cinematic scoring. They say arthouse - I guess, but I think non-Hollywood is a better description from what I hear. A lot of UK drama has a sound like this. Anyway...



(Only been able to listen on my laptop but is Rachel's voice out of phase on this video?!)

It's an intriguing line up:

String ensemble (6 first violins, 4 violas, 4 celli, and bass)
3 String soloists (violin, cello, bass).
6 solo woodwinds,
2 solo brass players
6 special character instruments: Soprano saxophone, musette accordion, mandolin, concert guitar, dulcimer, and piano.

Also included is the harp from Berlin Symphonic Strings.
Tides offers tempo-synced measured trills, designed to help conveniently animate your chords, as well as tempo-synced rhythmic patterns (captured as live performances), across a range of instruments.

Pride of place in our new collection’s features is the collection’s lyrical legato. Tides offers extraordinarily long transitions on the lyrical legatos to offer unparalleled expression and musicality. The soloists come with a single dynamic layer to ensure the pure sound of an expressive performance without any crossfading and layering artefacts.

The collection is loosely based on a piece of music (a performance of which is featured on the product page) that the Academy Award-winning composer wrote especially for the project. This composition was a way to capture her ideal orchestral set-up—we spent some time with Rachel curating the list of instruments to populate this unique orchestra. The piece also gave us an inside take on some of her most recognizable musical idioms: Expressive legatos, rhythmic patterns, and character soloists. We then set out to effectively cast this musical language in the form of a sampled instrument collection.


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I’ll have to listen on a better delivery system than my horrid sounding phone, but the “brittle” quality bothers me and takes me out of “”emotive.” Like LASS, I feel like I want to pull down expression to take the edge off.

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Guy Rowland wrote: May 28, 2025 2:44 pm It's an intriguing line up:

String ensemble (6 first violins, 4 violas, 4 celli, and bass)
3 String soloists (violin, cello, bass).
6 solo woodwinds,
2 solo brass players
6 special character instruments: Soprano saxophone, musette accordion, mandolin, concert guitar, dulcimer, and piano.

Also included is the harp from Berlin Symphonic Strings.
For what it's worth, all of these instruments are available individually, except for the harp. Also, while the "brittle" aspect is noticeable on my Dynaudio BM15As, it's not so harsh. It may have to be counteracted in some circumstances, but I don't think it's a deal breaker.

Of course, YMMV.

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Geoff Grace wrote: May 28, 2025 6:32 pmAlso, while the "brittle" aspect is noticeable on my Dynaudio BM15As, it's not so harsh. It may have to be counteracted in some circumstances, but I don't think it's a deal breaker.
I think that tone isn't a flaw, it's the point of the library. If anyone thinks of buying it and that they can tame it, I reckon they should buy a different library. These strings are not lush, butter strings. But at the same time I don't think of it as harsh either.

I've adored this score for years and never once thought of it is harsh:



I used the word "brittle" and it's not quite right but close. It's part of what makes it emotive, there's an honest humanity in it. It's not saccharine, there's pain behind the beauty that Hollywood airbrushes away.

Geez now I'm sounding like Christian Henson. But I guess something like this was the intent behind the library and it definitely interests me even though I'm not sure I can currently justify the outlay. I was looking at those singles, Geoff, but I quite like thought of getting all of it as they play so well together, and feels like a part of the DNA.

For the bazillionth time, I wish there was a demo.


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Incidentally, most of the demos on the site sound wonderful to me, but to my ears there's something not-quite-right-sounding about the two mockups of Rachel's pieces. I can't quite put my finger on it, but they sound more like samples than the others.

https://www.orchestraltools.com/tides

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In my opinion, these toolkit libraries are what Orchestral Tools does best. The demos sound good, if slightly stiff. I suppose that's unavoidable with samples for smaller ensembles. I do like the overall sound, though. This should be a nice addition to your tools if you write this kind of not too artsy arthouse cinema music.

Incidentally, even though I think toolkits are what OT does best, I would have preferred a complete chamber strings library from them. Toolkits never quite fit the music I write. There is some discussion on Vi-C — well, actually, it's more of joking about — about the missing second violins. That's an easy issue to resolve. In my opinion, the limiting factor is the two dynamic layers for the strings. This restricts you to one specific zone of expression, whereas chamber strings are capable of producing so many different colours. Still, this seems to be a very nice library that will be useful to many of us.


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I must admit that I haven't really connected with Rachel Portman's music yet. Don't get me wrong — she is incredibly talented and skilled. Her music is always perfectly crafted and executed. But in the works I've heard, I've been missing that moment of 'Wow, I've never heard anything like that before!'. It all supports the picture wonderfully. I just don't find it gripping enough to listen to the soundtracks without the pictures.

The 'Main Titles' from Never Let Me Go is a perfect example of this. It's very nice, emotive music. If there is anything particularly memorable about it, I don't notice. It's a bit too underscory for me.

I am an ardent fan of the book. I do think the film is great, too. However, the one piece of music from the film that has stayed with me is the song 'Never Let Me Go', rather than the soundtrack by Rachel Portman.



I'm sure the fault lies with me and not the music. I just haven't been able to overcome this feeling towards her music yet.


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This could be wonderful and extremely useful for me, but it being OT, I'm very hesitant to pull the trigger, as I have been burned before. So I will patiently wait for real feedback from users. So far I've stayed away from their sample player and I would need a truly compelling reason to break that wall.

Regarding Rachel Portman: Cider House Rules did it for me back in the day.
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Guy Rowland wrote: May 29, 2025 2:34 am I used the word "brittle" and it's not quite right but close. It's part of what makes it emotive, there's an honest humanity in it. It's not saccharine, there's pain behind the beauty that Hollywood airbrushes away.

Geez now I'm sounding like Christian Henson. But I guess something like this was the intent behind the library and it definitely interests me even though I'm not sure I can currently justify the outlay. I was looking at those singles, Geoff, but I quite like thought of getting all of it as they play so well together, and feels like a part of the DNA.
Well, Guy, despite channeling Christian a little bit, I think you hit the nail on the head. From the demos I've heard, I like the emotive quality of it as well, especially in the strings and woodwinds. The “recorded in a musical context” process probably helped the expressiveness of the samples, which seem to have a Goldilocks "just right" level of emotion that falls in between the one-category-or-another examples we're used to in sample libraries.

I'm tempted as well.

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Circling back to this to see if anyone bought it and how they're getting along with it. I like the concept but haven't yet heard a rendition that didn't obviously sound like samples to my ears. The Flute seems particularly thin and the Strings, for lack of a better description, just feel like samples - perhaps the uncompromising vibrato.
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I am enjoying the library, it sits comfortably where other libraries don’t. I have mostly messed with strings. I have placed them on some tracks and they worked seamlessly. They play pretty well under my fingers.


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Off topic : Never let me go, the novel, left a lasted feeling of sadness… and writing mastery.
Read it in French, though.
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